I suppose youngsters should have access to a greater quality of porn. The stuff we now have now might be harmful to watchers of all ages in varying degrees. That stated, I do not suppose society will ever be liberal enough to have a children part on porn sites.> better parental controls by default on the shopper levelHaving parental controls on by default would be a reasonable resolution to this concern.> they know it’s one thing they don’t care at all aboutIs this a typo? Children go on porn websites because they want to observe porn. That's why I did it. If youngsters didn't need to watch porn, they would not. I don't assume the sex itself is something they want defending from. Just the addictive qualities which are current in both porn sites and the wider web.> higher educated and supported childrenBetter educated and supported parents would also help. reply

bbor 2 days ago | root | parent | subsequent [-]

Very effectively said on all factors. Re:"children don’t care", I was principally referencing adolescents once i mentioned kids -- throughout and after puberty is a completely different matter. At that point, I agree they should be protected identical to everybody else is protected - towards normal harmful patterns, and with very little direct government intervention. There’s no way the federal government can realistically cease teenagers from accessing porn, except this man will get his Porn Selfie initiative passed, I assume…Scary occasions in Europe! After all American conservatives may easily pick up this situation at random any midterm cycle now, assuming we continue having midterm elections. reply

MSFT_Edging 1 day ago | root | mum or dad | prev | subsequent [-]

What do you think about the constant surveillance on children/teenagers by their own dad and mom and the long term psychological trauma it might go away behind from knowingly being monitored 24/7?Children used to exit, do things, come house. Now youngsters have zero privacy. Into the teen years, they can't get into trouble, study, socialize, and so on. They simply sit at house as a result of their dad and mom are constantly watching their GPS location and studying their texts.Is porn worse than the injury finished by the mistrust? reply

Dma54rhs 1 day in the past | root | guardian | subsequent [-]

I wasn't supervised 24/7 but didn't have access to porn 24/7 in a second either, lads shared some previous magazines somebody nicked from a father most likely. It positive did want a bit extra effort to get a playboy from your nook retailer.My daughter got here house from the playground where 10 year outdated guys confirmed her hardcore anal porn from cell as a result of it's funny. reply

acdha 2 days ago | root | parent | prev | next [-]

> I feel most American youngsters (sorry Ireland) are pretty much unrestricted on the web by their tweens, since most mother and father purchase them smartphones however don’t know the way to do significant browser lockdowns.It’s actually pretty onerous to do lockdowns because there’s been so much consolidation. Many mother and father can turn on the inbuilt controls, however then they face problems like "do you block YouTube completely, even though their homework will embody hyperlinks to things like movies from NIH hosted there?"The large drawback isn’t that children might innocently find sexual content but additionally that grownups will try to trick them into engaging with issues for a wide range of reasons. This is totally different from letting your child have free rein of the public library as a result of the library didn’t have some guy recruiting for a political movement putting books in the children’s part and the librarians wouldn’t let that creepy dude dangle on the market.This got here up at a school get together not too long ago the place a number of mother and father of first graders have been speaking about how quickly YouTube will go from auto enjoying LEGO and Minecraft movies to some fairly unhinged stuff. reply

> but then they face issues like "do you block YouTube entirely, although their homework will include hyperlinks to issues like movies from NIH hosted there?"Tell youngsters to create listing of URLs. Download the movies. They've just discovered copy/paste, about existence of URLs, and concept of distant and local. Now they're hackers! reply

Sure, however then you’re within the business of having to add many exceptions on an ongoing basis. That’s why I want we had more decentralization - it’d be trivial for fogeys to, say, whitelist *.gov with the knowledge that they’re not going to search out porn there. Doing the identical on YouTube is a much more durable drawback. reply

Brybry 1 day in the past | root | father or mother | next [-]

One time I ran right into a subdomain of cjcc.ga.gov, through google results, that was internet hosting porn (it is on the web archive too - vicspublic).On the time I could not even discover abuse/webmaster contact info to report it to get it mounted. They had been serving porn for months. reply

philwelch 1 day ago | root | mum or dad | prev | subsequent [-]

> The massive downside isn’t that kids may innocently discover sexual content but additionally that grownups will try to trick them into participating with things for a variety of reasons. This is totally different from letting your kid have free rein of the public library as a result of the library didn’t have some guy recruiting for a political motion putting books in the children’s section and the librarians wouldn’t let that creepy dude grasp on the market.You’d be shocked. reply

acdha 1 day in the past | root | parent | next [-]

I would within the library discipline so, no. I know public librarians should deal with weirdos but they’re a lot more prepared to take action than YouTube. It probably has something to do with how much better funded they are than Google… reply

highwaylights 2 days ago | prev | subsequent [-]

I actually suppose the .xxx TLD plan from a number of years in the past was about one of the best version of this laws that would exist - essentially grownup content could be restricted to a sure subset of blockable TLDs. If a site is exhibiting adult content material and never on an grownup TLD, it risks a state-stage block until it's compliant.This seems a lot easier to police, gives 80% of what the legislators are attempting to achieve, and doesn't require entrusting KYC to a bunch of dodgy websites.Sure, it will not block VPNs and there could be issues in the beginning whereas things migrate, but when realistically your aim is to keep children off grownup websites then it's at the very least more reasonable than this proposal to entrust the dad and mom/guardians with some amount of accountability to make sure the safeguards can't be circumvented on their kids' gadgets. reply

jampekka 2 days ago | mum or dad | next [-]

There's no way of getting youngsters from getting porn in the event that they really need it. We had plenty of VHS and magazine porn as children even though retailers didn't sell them to youngsters.Current mainstream porn websites curate off essentially the most hardcore stuff quite properly. The dark web versions that will pop up as a result of draconian KYC will certainly not have such curation. reply

kelseyfrog 2 days ago | root | dad or mum | next [-]

I'm not an enormous fan of this form black or white thinking. We may apply this to guns, bombs, medication and conclude that it was pointless to cut back numbers.In it's extreme type, a sufficiently motivated teenager built a homemade neutron source[1] subsequently we should not control nuclear materials. I simply don't suppose this argument, taken to its logical conclusion, is legitimate. Is there a better manner of reformulating it?1. Silverstein, K. (2005). Radioactive boy scout: The frightening true story of a whiz child and his homemade nuclear reactor. Turtleback Books. reply

jampekka 2 days in the past | root | father or mother | subsequent [-]

I didn't say there must be no restrictions for guns, bombs, medicine or even porn, despite the fact that they cannot be totally rooted out.The issue is the pondering that they can be rooted out. War-on-Porn would have simply as horrible effects as War-on-Drugs has.As for porn, I think the potential results of it to children are manner overblown. Children must be educated (age appropriately in fact) about sexuality to allow them to handle the stuff and situations they'll see at some point anyway. reply

gambiting 2 days ago | root | guardian | subsequent [-]

>>age appropriately of course)UK research into that is staggering though - youngsters as young as 8 already report having seen porn, and be taught behaviours from it. I additionally assist the need for full, open, fully trustworthy and complete intercourse education, however there is a reason why even the most liberal applications in the world don't educate 8 yr olds explicitly about intercourse other than mentioning it very broadly - eight year olds aren't able to study all the main points yet(that is an opinion of child psychologists, not my own), however obviously with porn you sidestep all of it, children do not even get the prospect to study properly.A part of it is clearly the fault of parents - a number of whom are completely incompetent and who probably shouldn't use any electronic units themselves, a lot much less give them to kids. However the sheer prevelance of porn can be a problem.I do not know what the solution to that is. Definitely not what the federal government is suggesting, that is for certain. reply

pas 6 hours ago | root | mother or father | subsequent [-]

The solution is to repair these parents, as you talked about, who're the sources of the issue.They are those who can set up parental controls on devices, but do not. Or could not give unsupervised display time to children, but in fact do, because it's convenient.And naturally fixing them would require changing a number of things, like revenue inequality and funding plenty of family assist applications, and on the whole shifting a major chunk of the financial system away from dumb shit to education. (By taxing the dumb shit and then utilizing that as revenue.)But after all loads of these current parents don't need this either. reply

kelseyfrog 2 days in the past | root | mother or father | prev | subsequent [-]

It's essential to clarify why you assume this customary applies to the things I've mentioned, however not to porn. There's some decision-making occurring that isn't obvious.I think porn is underblown, so it looks as if we're at a bit of an impasse. reply

> It's essential to clarify why you suppose this standard applies to the issues I've mentioned, but not to porn.I do suppose this normal applies to porn, and e.g. the .xxx TLD would not be KYC. And probably wouldn't cause as huge a dark net porn explosion.For me porn is in a bit totally different category from guns and bombs, and from drugs too. Guns and bombs and some medication kill. Porn in all probability borns if something. reply

It kinda seems like our differing perspectives are the biggest elements on the social effects of porn and subsequently our openness to compensating actions. Does that sound suspicious in any respect? reply

jampekka 1 day ago | root | father or mother | next [-]

We in all probability differ in evaluation of social effects of porn. I don't find it very harmful in any respect. In the stability porn could also be even helpful if it helps to take away dangerous taboos and hangups about sexuality.In reality I discover it completely absurd how depictions of horrible violence is sort of Ok for people who are shocked about genitals. Or profanity.And i discover that promoting usually, especially for children but in addition for adults, is more harmful than even the violence.We probably disagree. I think my opinions are quite nicely founded, however so do probably you. reply

kelseyfrog 1 day ago | root | parent | subsequent [-]

What bar would you place on evidence that may change your mind? reply

akira2501 1 day ago | root | dad or mum | prev | subsequent [-]

> We had loads of VHS and journal porn as youngsters though retailers didn't promote them to youngsters.Having second hand access and having direct access to a market are solely various things. The fact that the secondary entry would possibly in some instances exist just isn't an excuse to punt on the precise main problem.> The darkish internet variations that may pop up resulting from draconian KYC will certainly not have such curation.If we measured legislation by it is ability to completely safe a market, we might don't have any laws at all. Fortunately, we can measure the positive impacts of things and examine them, and I think, that there are actually significant optimistic advantages to creating some form of limiting legislation here.It is also the case that draconian KYC implementations aren't the only approach to solve this problem, on this case, I consider it's lazy or ideologically possessed politicians who need to make use of this as an excuse to implement these legal guidelines for different functions. reply

grork 2 days ago | prev | next [-]

IMHO, this is a misleading headline: They don't seem to be constructing a "porn choice register", they simply going full-dystopian nightmare amassing stay biometric information that may very well be used to _infer_ your porn preferences.We don’t want silly headlines to make this idea sound dumber, and kinda distracts from the real situation of biometric verification for websites being a silly concept. reply

dachworker 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

Limiting porn exposure for youngsters and early teenagers is probably a very good factor, but this is the wrong strategy to do it, and a weak justification to create a blackmail registry. reply

brvsft 2 days ago | prev | subsequent [-]

Highly deceptive title. Although I disagree with the plan both approach, the state just isn't building a 'porn preference register.' This concept is introduced on this explicit article, however there technically are methods to retailer person preferences separate from their PII.The linked article from Irish Examiner has a more accurate title:> Porn sites may require passport details with a purpose to stop children from utilizing them reply

malux85 2 days in the past | prev | next [-]

Upload biometric data to porn sites? That looks as if a phishers dream come true.Even when the large sites farm this out to third parties, unscrupulous imitators could harvest personal information on an unlimited scale for sale on the darkish net. reply

karaterobot 2 days ago | prev | subsequent [-]

Bearing in thoughts that it is practically unattainable to each function a publicly accessible webpage and avoid getting hacked if somebody wants you unhealthy sufficient, who gets sued when this incredibly sensitive PII is inevitably stolen? Websites who did not wish to store it in the first place, however were legally required to do so, or the government who required them to? I'm not an Irish lawyer, however I've a guess. reply

Lapalux 2 days ago | prev | next [-]

Misrepresentation of the particular intent of the Irish authorities, however as outcome they will end up creating what title says. reply

disgruntledphd2 2 days in the past | father or mother | next [-]

What's the intent here then?Like, I'm an Irish citizen (a former coworker not too long ago took a job with the body accountable for this coverage), and i do not know what the intent is here (aside from the overall consider the children stuff). reply

antiquoom 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

That is false, they're not constructing a "porn choice register", they're requiring age verification for pornographic web sites.Submitting one's id paperwork to entry such web sites is of course very simply avoided, by merely selecting not to consume pornographic materials on-line. reply

aaronmdjones 2 days ago | mum or dad | next [-]

If the website is tracking what you go to when logged in (which, they are going to be, as their business mannequin is serving you relevant videos so that you stay on the positioning longer to see extra adverts), and now the legislation is going to require them to verify that your account belongs to a person over the age of majority by storing your biometric info, then that is exactly what this law is doing.Anyone who breaches that website's database (whether or not an inside job or not) is now going to be taught not only what movies RandomUser782 has watched but in addition who they are, where they're, their birthdate, and what they appear like; and if they selected to show their identity by way of driving licence, additionally, their dwelling handle.If this doesn't strike you as fully fucking nuts, I do not know what to say. reply

theodric 2 days ago | father or mother | prev | subsequent [-]

This is a particularly quick-sighted and crypto-moralistic place masquerading as reasonableness. Why should I be forced to provide a authorities ID to a random third party just because I need to view legal images? One does not observe logically from the opposite; and furthermore, secular folks should not be pressured to live in response to the moral strictures of the conservative and/or religious. reply

fortyseven 2 days ago | guardian | prev | subsequent [-]

The ol' "if you probably did nothing unsuitable you have nothing to fret about" mind-set, eh? reply

cynicalsecurity 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sorry, what? Are we nonetheless dwelling in a democracy or is it already back to the USSR? reply

AlbertCory 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

Pro tip for Gov't bureaucrats: if the news stories about your initiative begin with "this isn't a joke" -- it's possible you'll wish to rethink things. reply

throw0101d 2 days ago | prev | subsequent [-]

Web pages are all about tags with information and metadata. It shouldn't be onerous so as to add metadata about content material kind. I by no means quite understood why labeling initiatives by no means gained traction:* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_for_Internet_Content_...* https://www.w3.org/PICS/* https://www.w3.org/2007/powder/Throw some tags in and browsers can parse: then have a password-protected "filter controls" area in settings (and perhaps a GPO for company environments).I'd think that the porn firms throwing some money at internet browser developer assets to implement this would not be a foul idea. Every time this concept comes up (again) they'll point to it and say "we did our half, now it is as much as the parents" (or whatever). reply

Blackstrat 1 day ago | prev | next [-]

When the federal government starts requiring ids to vote or immigrate or stops corporations from fraudulently controlling the narrative, eg Facebook, then I’ll take them seriously. If an individual is underage on a porn site that’s on the mother and father not the provider firm. The internet must be freed from further authorities restrictions. reply

yetanother12345 1 day in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

Please observe: Ireland This is the nationwide internet regulator proposing that it would require that everybody, grownup and children alike, would add their state ID and live selfies, to porn websites to have biometric processing of their facial pictures performed. Resulting, amongst other things, in an effective register of porn preferences for adults and a group of selfies of kids stored by the porn websites for six years[0] So, all these PII data and sensitive knowledge points[1] can be hosted on American-owned datacentres, which Ireland is densely populated with?Anyone see something barely worrying right here? Anyone? Just asking rhetorically.[0] TFA[1] Not only porn sites, but any site which allows you to post a video (TFA) reply

boh 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

For the commenters taking the query of efficient ID solutions critically, you're missing the purpose. Simply put, that is an anti-porn invoice. The legislatures are fully aware of the ridiculousness of the requirements--that is the point. No one in their proper thoughts is sending passports and movies of themselves to the shadiest corners of the web. An outright ban would be tough to achieve, a set of necessities to guard youngsters from offensive materials is way easier. reply

rappatic 1 day ago | prev | subsequent [-]

Digital age IDs should be outfitted with a way to perform a zero-data proof that the bearer is certainly 18 without betraying their identification. Perhaps a full-fledged blockchain is a bit much however a decentralized approach to carry out primary verification duties like this is smart. reply

ortusdux 2 days ago | prev | next [-]

Direct hyperlink to document - https://www.cnam.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Draft_Online_... reply

sacrosanct 2 days ago | prev | next [-]

The tech savvy will just use VPNs to get around geo-politics akin to this, no less than a VPN ought to work in theory to get round verification measures by the Irish State. This recommendation has been echoed numerous times when this situation crops up.One concern is that there are tech-illiterate people who fall victim of such an ID system and do not use a VPN to bypass it. I haven't got numbers/stats, however I think about a very good chunk won't be utilizing VPNs.There is also another concern I've; that this verification database might be breached and people's 'preferences' are exposed. The one solution to keep away from such a breach is to not accumulate such knowledge in the primary place. reply

Nifty3929 2 days in the past | dad or mum | subsequent [-]

I'm genuinely anxious that elevated adoption of VPNs to get around these restrictions will then lead to laws that ban or limit VPN use.You may tell me that it is going to be difficult to implement such a ban - however then it turns us all into criminals - all the better to manage us."We don't usually enforce this law, however in your case we'll make an exception." reply

So, we're going to turn into China then. Under the pretence of caring for youngsters. Thanks, but no. The street to hell is paved with good intentions. And I'm not even sure if those intentions were really good on this case or this all is just an evil pretence. reply

asylteltine 2 days ago | prev | subsequent [-]

This is fucking loopy! Keep the government out of the internet. reply

righthand 1 day ago | prev | subsequent [-]

So I’m a kid who makes use of my dad/mother/uncle/neighbor’s ID to observe porn then. Totally useless. At finest this will just cost people as much as create a new set of internet protocols. Then all of the adults might be stuck regulating the outdated net, while porn trade and children will use the brand new web. reply

jimnotgym 2 days ago | prev | next [-]

What if you do not have a passport? reply

polishdude20 2 days in the past | dad or mum | next [-]

Back to Sears catalogues for you peasant! reply

anon84873628 1 day in the past | root | mum or dad | subsequent [-]

More like Nat Geo :-D reply

seszett 2 days in the past | father or mother | prev | next [-]

The truth that this article talks about passports is a hint that it is no less than partly misreporting based on assumptions from someone who did not know a lot concerning the scenario.This is inside the EU, so obviously what would be asked is an EU id. reply

Macha 2 days ago | root | parent | subsequent [-]

> EU idThere isn't one. Ireland also would not have a national ID program, so effectively for most people their passport or driver's license are the one forms of authorities ID they _may_ have. But even then it is not obligatory to have both. reply

seszett 1 day in the past | root | father or mother | subsequent [-]

"EU id" was a shortcut for "id documents issued by EU countries", they're legitimate EU-large. It's an ID card in most EU international locations and that is what could be used for the needs of this text, aside from Irish citizens I guess but they're most likely a relatively small percentage of EU guests of porn sites.Now I simply noticed that though the subject is "most of the EU", that is an Irish site, so perhaps they just didn't really take this into account. reply

disgruntledphd2 2 days ago | root | dad or mum | prev | subsequent [-]

You might use the PSC card I suppose. The union of driver license, passport and PSC in all probability covers many of the country. reply

hombre_fatal 2 days ago | father or mother | prev | next [-]

Just go to any of the thousands of porn web sites that don’t ask for it. reply

juahan 2 days in the past | parent | prev | next [-]

No porn for you then I suppose. reply

dudul 2 days in the past | mother or father | prev | subsequent [-]

Just torrent your porn. Regulations like this will achieve nothing. reply

No video-sharing platform for you then. reply

cabalamat 2 days in the past | mum or dad | prev | next [-]

No porn for you then. reply

lifestyleguru 2 days in the past | guardian | prev | subsequent [-]

torrents?! reply

Beware: you run danger of inadvertently downloading or distributing little one sexual abuse material (CSAM).A friend was speaking about how their US good friend bought given a intercourse offence label due to downloading a zip of porn that unknown to them contained some CSAM. Lost their job and worse.You didn't know is no defence in some jurisdictions. You personally can't test photographs or picture collections for legality, so the danger is real. reply

lifestyleguru 2 days ago | root | dad or mum | next [-]

Well, opening an internet site can save in the browser cache any picture which isn't displayed on the web site. What all these silly cellular apps and games precisely are downloading and importing? Who knows.... reply

robocat 2 days in the past | root | mum or dad | next [-]

Progress: jail for everyone. Certainly fashionable life has dangerous tripwires. I simply needed to google the words for the acronym CSAM - and as a non-citizen it made me double-think about surveillance.Maybe add a pair extra paras to your remark? In case you give me six sentences written by the most innocent of males, I'll discover something in them with which to dangle them. - highly effective political determine (1585 - 1642) reply

127361 1 day ago | root | guardian | prev | next [-]

Yes, the Internet has created a real life Orwellian nightmare. reply

mulmen 1 day ago | prev | next [-]

How does Ireland define porn for the aim of age restriction? Is it a "I realize it when i see it" standard or something concrete sufficient that content material creators can go right as much as the road? reply

doubled112 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

Wasn't there a instrument/bot to confuse search engines like google and yahoo by submitting a bunch of random phrases?Time for a rewrite. reply

toldyouso2022 1 day in the past | prev | next [-]

Just ban minors from utilizing smartphones. Works even higher for their progress than attempting to dam them from seeing porn. And it is a very simple legislation to write, no need for useless bureaucrats to make money (however perhaps that's the problem). reply

unnouinceput 1 day in the past | mum or dad | subsequent [-]

How about be a responsible mum or dad as an alternative and educate your kids concerning the dangers of internet/tech? Why limit the curiosity of teenagers? Allow them to discover, but do it responsible/below your supervision. Otherwise they'll do it anyway however within the worse possible method and you may have zero say in the matter. reply

matteoraso 1 day ago | prev | subsequent [-]

How far can you take this? Porn is on Facebook, Reddit, and Youtube. Will you'll want to confirm your ID for social media as nicely? That's not even getting into Stable Diffusion and different tools that could possibly be used to create your own porn on demand. reply

wkat4242 2 days in the past | prev | next [-]

Wow I thought Ireland was altering now, they even voted for gay marriage. However the Catholicism still reigns strong there :(A couple of years in the past a hospital even let a woman with a miscarriage die as a result of they did not need to intervene. reply

zajio1am 2 days in the past | dad or mum | next [-]

This has probably nothing with catholicism and everything with bureaucracy-satety-ism. reply

> A couple of years in the past a hospital even let a woman with a miscarriage die because they didn't want to intervene.They were legally unable to intervene, without risking prosecution. Yes, it was totally insane. And that case was a serious motive that the structure was changed to prevent this ever occurring again.That is 100% nothing to do with Catholicism, simply normal ethical hand wringing around what might occur to youngsters. reply

wkat4242 2 days ago | root | father or mother | next [-]

> They have been legally unable to intervene, without risking prosecution.They should have done so anyway, obviously. There is not any probability they might have been prosecuted for it. Not with all of the uproar. I walked within the candlelight demonstrations too.> And that case was a serious purpose that the structure was changed to stop this ever happening once more.Only after a referendum which the church opposed, and it is nonetheless probably the most restrictive nations when it comes to abortion. reply

disgruntledphd2 2 days in the past | root | dad or mum | next [-]

> They should have achieved so anyway, obviously. There is not any likelihood they would have been prosecuted for it. Not with all the uproar. I walked in the candlelight demonstrations too.Can you give me some proof that you are prepared to destroy your profession in a rustic on a degree of principle?Like, I utterly agree that they need to have performed that, but that's fairly easy for me to say, it wouldn't be my profession on the road.> Only after a referendum which the church opposed, and it's still one of the vital restrictive countries when it comes to abortion.Look man, my wife had a missed miscarraige below the old guidelines, and i completely agree, however no less than that shit won't occur anymore. I did question this with our fertility consultant about what would occur if we have been previous 12 weeks and acquired a severely dangerous genetic take a look at consequence, and he just shrugged and stated we may go to England, which was pretty disappointing, post referendum. reply

goodluckchuck 2 days ago | dad or mum | prev | next [-]

Why intervene and save one life when to might stand idly by and make a political point that saves hundreds? /s reply

riffraff 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

Having grown up in a time where porn was unlawful for minors however trivially obtained by anyone who cared in VHS, I honestly don't understand why anybody thinks this scheme could be helpful for anything. reply

jgilias 2 days ago | mum or dad | next [-]

I’m additionally pretty perplexed regarding who're these people who provide you with these ideas. Like, how and the place did they grow up? Appeared out of skinny air with completely zero street smarts? I don’t suppose I knew anyone so removed from reality when growing up. reply

gambiting 2 days in the past | dad or mum | prev | subsequent [-]

To play a devils advocate for a second - when I used to be rising up(in the 90s) I additionally noticed porn method too early than even remotely applicable - a buddy had a VHS tape that he bought somewhere, we had to discover a moment in time when his parents weren't dwelling, and we put it on for like 5 minutes, we were so scared we were going to be came upon we instantly dumped the tape afterwards and didn't discover the contents even remotely thrilling - I remember simply being actually disgusted by it(turns out the overproduced faux 90s porn actually isn't an awesome option to introduce anyone to sex).Nowadays should you converse to any child psychologist about it it is obvious that kids get exposed to it actually early(in the UK it is estimated that almost all youngsters beneath age of 10 could have seen some type of sexual materials already) and they do it frequently.It actually isn't comparable to what we(pre-web people) had and what's happening to youngsters right now.I additionally need to make it fully clear I'm 10000% towards this insane idea proposed here. Just pointing out that it is not even remotely the same as us watching a random VHS tape. reply

riffraff 1 day ago | root | mum or dad | next [-]

I agree with you, kids are exposed to porn too early and too easily nowadays.I'm just uncertain you could receive any important limiting by gatekeeping mainstream porn websites, children will present one another porn in Signal fairly than telling one another "go to www.tons-of-porn.xxx", nevertheless it won't change much.I'm afraid it's one of those cases where we will not put the djinn again within the lamp. reply

nine_okay 2 days ago | parent | prev | subsequent [-]

Why, it would be useful as a common register of people, matched with their online exercise here and there. You communicate as for those who never ran a state surveillance agency, or a minimum of a major search engine! /s reply

shikon7 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

Why would minors be required to take part on this? To entry age-restricted material suitable to them (not 18+ however maybe 13+), or would this registration be obligatory for everyone? reply

Macha 2 days in the past | guardian | subsequent [-]

I think the road of pondering is:1. Minors will attempt to access porn sites2. They are going to be faced with the image validation3. Some of them will try it4. They will theoretically fail the validation, but the porn site will nonetheless be required to maintain the info from the attempt. reply

maronato 2 days in the past | guardian | prev | subsequent [-]

The article says any "video-sharing platform" would require all customers, adults and children, to upload their IDs and pics. Porn web sites are video sharing platforms, so they should comply irrespective of the age.But don’t fear, porn sites must additionally run a biometric evaluation on the images despatched to test if the user is 18+! reply

cianmm 2 days ago | dad or mum | prev | subsequent [-]

The article clarifies that this may cowl pretty much any webpage which permits you upload video, so minors would have to participate on YouTube, Facebook, and so on.I assume the choose out can be to not use these platforms, however that appears unlikely. reply

dbg31415 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

Relevanthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk reply

bArray 1 day in the past | prev | next [-]

> The Irish State announced [..]It's fascinating how quickly the EU went from a Trade Union to a Government consisting of states. reply

motohagiography 2 days ago | prev | next [-]

There is no reasoning with these people. What, if any, are the alternate options to a struggle against totalitarian entryists? reply

jimbob45 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

The far proper goes laborious against porn in a number of countries right now. I don’t agree however I get where they’re coming from.However, I don’t get going after porn before going after casinos. Casinos ruin lives and wreck economies far worse than porn could ever hope to. Going after porn before casinos feels like going after kitchen knives earlier than AR-15s. reply

wkat4242 2 days ago | dad or mum | next [-]

> The far proper goes laborious against porn in multiple nations proper now. I don’t agree but I get where they’re coming from.It's none of their business though. Porn doesn't hurt people. And they don't seem to be getting rid of it anyway. Similar to no person's getting rid of torrents. reply

bloopernova 2 days in the past | root | mother or father | next [-]

> Porn does not harm people. The girlsdoporn victims would disagree with you.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GirlsDoPorn reply

cynicalsecurity 2 days in the past | root | mum or dad | subsequent [-]

Porn actually lowers the amount of intercourse crimes within the society. Instead of going exterior and performing sex with a real particular person, individuals merely stay at residence. That is by far the most cost effective and best resolution to the problem.Without porn, the quantity of victims can be considerably larger and the crimes could be having a a lot worse end result.Not many individuals remember the world earlier than porn, but I do. I vividly remember how rape was a daily crime on the streets of my metropolis. It nearly utterly disappeared after the invention of the internet and since porn grow to be extensively accessible to individuals. reply

popcalc 2 days in the past | root | parent | subsequent [-]

What metropolis are you from? reply

wkat4242 2 days ago | root | father or mother | prev | subsequent [-]

That's not to do with the porn. But with the trafficking and coercion. Those are separate things, and those are already unlawful (hence the convictions).Most people in porn (and prostitution, for that matter) do the work voluntarily. reply

alecsm 2 days in the past | guardian | prev | next [-]

The Irish government is removed from being far-right. And I do not think it's only a push in opposition to porn, it is a push in opposition to any form of anonymity on the web.How lengthy till it's important to scan your ID earlier than connecting? reply

disgruntledphd2 2 days in the past | father or mother | prev | subsequent [-]

> The far right goes hard against porn in a number of international locations right now.Sigh.This (unfortunately) has nothing to do with the far right, it is a authorities of centre right parties who do not (but) understand what a horrible thought that is. reply

mistrial9 2 days in the past | parent | prev | next [-]

Is that this a "proper-v-left" dichotomy really? secondly, different sorts of hurt are indirectly comparable, extra so for their sources. reply

Abekkus 2 days in the past | mother or father | prev | subsequent [-]

Same purpose people complained about outdated ladies wearing fur coats, greater than bikers who put on leather jackets; one enemy is scarier than one other. reply

beebeepka 1 day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

far proper, far left it is the identical gestapo crap. going after porn is only a pretext. the actual target (i believe) is having dirt on folks reply

xeckr 2 days ago | prev | next [-]

This may predictably lead to coomers placing on their pirate hats en masse. reply

duringmath 2 days in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

So who's behind these porn legal guidelines which might be popping all over the place? reply

127361 1 day ago | father or mother | next [-]

I'm suspecting that certain Evangelical Christian groups might need one thing to do with it. They've entrance groups with names such "anti exploitation community", the place nobody would suspect it is a religious organization behind it. reply

nprateem 2 days ago | prev | subsequent [-]

> and a collection of selfies of kids kept by the porn sitesI hope this journalist never has to do any precise important pondering. It goes with out saying that obviously kids would not upload selfies in the event that they're below 18 and that is the purpose of KYC. reply

lowbloodsugar 2 days ago | prev | subsequent [-]

Do I need to stroll around with a yellow star or pink triangle? reply

hn_acker 1 day in the past | prev | next [-]

> But wait! That's not all! The CnaM Executive Chairman wished to speak about porn websites as a result of that's the least popular class of entities lined by this regulation. But the age-verification requirement actually can cover any video-sharing platform under the jurisdiction of the Irish State (hyperlink to the designation discover below part 139E and section 139G of the Broadcasting 2009 Act). That's a list that includes Facebook, WhatsApp, XTwitter and YouTube, just to pick 4 family names (because of Section 5 of the net Safety and Media Regulation Act 2022). It may also imply homegrown platforms such as Mastodon.ie, the most distinguished Irish part of the Fediverse, who also allow movies to be shared....> Also, these restrictions won't simply limit and record entry to porn websites. They are often utilized to any sites which contains material the Commission decides may be authorized, however then again, oughtn't be seen by children. In different nations, this has been the kind of legal provision which has seen libraries restricting entry to books involving LGBTQ+ themes, racial justice themes and the rest you possibly can imagine the Burke household objecting to.Protecting youngsters is the emotional wedge for introducing age verification requirements. Video sites are the wedge into all internet websites. The legislators' emphasis on porn is a wedge into any speech (including in any other case legal speech) the government claims is dangerous for children. That government-mandated age verification would protect kids is an assumption, filled with uncertainty of the useful first-order results and stuffed with ignorance (willful blindness?) of the plain detrimental second-order results. Mandatory age verification requires mandatory data assortment, and strangers are going to learn that knowledge: some first-party websites will probably be forced to collect extra information than they presently do; third-social gathering websites concerned in the gathering and verification processes will accumulate information as effectively; and the federal government will get information in regards to the citizens' web habits from web sites. Adults will lose their privateness because individuals who haven't any enterprise knowing their web habits will know them.Children will lose their privacy, and extra. They are going to grow up learning that it's regular to present their personal information (including however not limited to relatively immutable biological particulars such as faceprints) to strangers. They will grow up studying that it's regular for the federal government to know each webpage a person visits online. The offline analogue is for the federal government to know each constructing a person visits offline. Irrespective of how noble the present authorities's current intentions could also be, a stranger has by default no proper to know that a lot about an individual's life.Movie theatres can present childrens' films and grownup films. The film theatre would not should retailer anything about age apart from "minor" and "grownup". Libraries and bookstores can contain childrens' books and adult books. Malls comprise stores for a lot of audiences. Clothing shops have sections for kids's clothes, modest adult clothes, and risque grownup clothes. You realize what the normal means for a child to visit many such buildings is? A caretaker (perhaps a mum or dad, but not every little one has a dad or mum) brings the youngster and supervises. On the other side of the equation, it would not be regular for a mall to collect people's ages on the mall entrance (the grownup-only stores inside being a unique story).A web site should have the choice to confirm age, and the alternative option to require not more than a self-reported "are you a minimum of 18? sure no". Government-mandated age verification is burdensome to small web sites, particularly small platforms for user-generated content. If a website may choose to remove probably dangerous content material as a substitute of verifying age, then the burden would still be too giant for small web sites. Might as properly not host person-generated content material at all. Large web companies like Google and Facebook would eat the prices both means. Small websites would have to depend on third-occasion age verification companies. Software for age verification will be predominantly proprietary or not out there to the final netizen or each, so the typical particular person won't be capable to know the way a lot data the web sites collect and retailer. What's extra, legal professionals and judges in privacy-associated or accuracy-related court instances (particularly regarding biometric verification) could have a tough time analyzing the software.Making each webpage accumulate info the way a bank does is applying a hammer to problems that aren't nails. Don't make your entire web a financial institution. And as Mike Masnick wrote, "The Internet Will not be Disneyland; People Should Stop Demanding It Become Disneyland" [1]. "Are you no less than 18? sure no" paired with correct parenting/caretaking can go a great distance. Proper caretaking is not simply understanding what the youngster does on the web. It's figuring out that the child might visit the internet whereas the caretaker is occupied. It's teaching the youngster early on that not all websites are for children. It's organising parental controls whereas understanding that parental controls are imperfect, like one slice of Swiss cheese [2]. You're a Swiss cheese layer. By educating your little one what to do if they bump into the flawed web sites, you can be turning your baby from a hula hoop into their own Swiss cheese layer. When you find out that your little one stumbled upon porn, you'll be able to discuss to your baby concerning the incident. As a caretaker, injury control is a needed a part of determining wholesome boundaries. Additionally, I do not expect the damage to a youthful child from by chance viewing porn to be as proportionately extreme because the harm to an below-21 school freshman from drinking alcohol at a get together. You can't speak mind harm from medicine out of someone. But I'm assuming that you would be able to speak the harm from an unintended porn incident out of your baby.I like the concept posed by mjevans [3] to make websites reply to a self-reported "child mode" - as a header in an internet request, I presume - by redirecting to a toddler-pleasant site. Websites may also respond by serving only content manually confirmed to be child-protected in keeping with the web site's interpretation of the legislation's definition of baby-protected. As part of supporting the "kid mode" header, the web site would have to respond with a "kid mode" confirmed. Parental controls on the system would come with the "child mode" header in all web requests at any time when child mode is on. If the website does not return the "child mode confirmed" header then the parental controls can cancel the web site visit. Adults would simply go away kid mode off for themselves. The burden on websites (learning learn how to ship a 301 redirect standing code at the only) would very low, and would avoid the information assortment and different privateness problems of age verification.[1] https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/20/the-internet-is-not-disn...[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model[3] https://information.ycombinator.com/merchandise?id=38903965 reply

cynicalsecurity 2 days ago | prev | next [-]

This is not just past idiotic, this is straightforward evil and harmful. reply

antisthenes 2 days in the past | prev | next [-]

Good.Will they make search engines like google and yahoo present relevant porn results for me then? I must wade by way of thousands of irrelevant and disgusting stuff that doesn't fit my porn wants. reply

beebeepka 1 day in the past | prev | next [-]

What's Minecraft and how do you tame a horse in it? reply

hulitu 1 hour in the past | prev | subsequent [-]

> Irish State announce plan to construct a porn choice register for a lot of the EUThey (the Irish state - ministers, elected officials) shall do it forst and publish it. Then we will follow suit. /s reply

Havoc 2 days ago | prev | subsequent [-]

>live selfieWhy not simply make everyone dwell stream their wank? /s reply

ativzzz 2 days in the past | prev [-]

I'm fairly libertarian in the case of issues like medicine or sex work, however it is onerous for me with porn. Maybe as a result of I've been addicted to it for 20 years at this level so it is personal for me. You'll be able to name it a parenting failure or no matter, either manner I'm addicted to porn and I believe it'll stay with me perpetually merely due to my lifestyle of distant tech worker. Luckily, it is not completely crippling, but it is definitely hampered my developmentI don't know what a reasonable resolution is. We forbid promoting alcohol & cigarettes to folks beneath a certain age because we deem it unhealthy for kids's development, however we don't have the instruments to try this for web porn on a societal scale. Is digital ID the suitable answer here? Is there a better way to do that? The HN mentality is to tear down digital partitions, and is it even potential with out severely harming the open internet or private privacy & security? reply

JumpinJack_Cash 2 days ago | mum or dad | subsequent [-]

> > Maybe as a result of I've been addicted to it for 20 years at this level so it's personal for me.Without porn you would have been addicted to lingerie catalogues and failing that after all real p*y in the type of endlessly chasing women and or prostitutes bringing monetary spoil upon your self.Porn is simply how sex drive manifests itself for males (we are visible creatures) in a frictionless world the place there are 5bn cameras in our pockets.There isn't any shame in going down due to sex drive, it has been engrained in our brains through the previous 100 million years reply

You could also be right lol. Honestly I hate my sex drive typically. Sure it is helpful from an evolutionary perspective, but for me personally it does no good reply

JumpinJack_Cash 1 day in the past | root | parent | subsequent [-]

> > Sure it's useful from an evolutionary perspectiveIt's additionally useful from a relaxation and performance perspective.Every time you rub one out you give your mind the illusion that you just passed your genes so that you go through life way more relaxed because it is an orgy (pun meant) of 'mission accomplished' banners inside the mind.At the least for me that is how I clarify submit nut readability and relaxation. reply

yea i'm unsure having eight hour long marathon porn sessions improves my performance or relaxationthough such as you mentioned earlier, I bet if it wasn't for porn I'd have a number of unwanted youngsters or a number of STDs reply

127361 2 days ago | dad or mum | prev [-]

These addictions are likely a symptom of one other problem. It is not the porn itself that is the problem. It's likely childhood trauma or some other adversity that is brought on the addiction. reply

ativzzz 1 day ago | root | mother or father | next [-]

for me, the porn was the trauma. early publicity to it without any parental controls (i had unfiltered access to the web too younger) reply

robocat 2 days ago | root | mum or dad | prev [-]

> childhood traumaFuck off with this informal careless usage of pop-psych shit.Really: you're either doing beginner psych diagnoses via feedback (dangerous) or making a delicate accusation about someone's mother and father (ugggh), or unintentionally demeaning these that have deep trauma of their previous.Addictions will be simply normal stuff everybody does - we don't all need to search for a bullshit excuse. The catchphrase "childhood trauma" brings back dangerous recollections about regression therapy. reply

127361 1 day in the past | root | mother or father [-]

Maybe it is shit, possibly it isn't. I'll see if any studies had been carried out on it.I don't actually care what you think about it, I'll carry on as usual, and attempt to correct my errors to the better of my skill.I've rights under the 1st Amendment to specific myself freely, including attainable newbie psych diagnoses. That's my protected freedom of speech proper there. reply

robocat 1 day in the past | root | parent | next [-]

> I have rights beneath the 1st Amendment to precise myself freelyNot where I'm standing* you don't - that is a global forum discussing a world concern. Aside: I'm a foreigner so I personally have little or no in the best way of constitutional rights.All of us have almost no information about each other and textual content feedback on emotionally tangled topics are simply misread. The danger is that psych comments can easily do more hurt than good: the potential for misunderstanding is high. Even without misunderstanding between commenters there's a risk of triggers in readers.It is hard to say what this community thinks is right but https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.htmlThe next obvious step is previous-life trauma evaluation (yes, that is a real thing that real individuals do). I'm actually fascinated by any quantitative papers you'll find on that topic.Moderator about an adjacent topic: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&web page=0&prefix=true&que...* My jurisdiction has no first amendment reply

127361 1 day in the past | root | parent | next [-]

No. I support freedom of expression over safety in that case. As long as it's legal underneath the first Amendment, then anything goes. And naturally we've got the proper to counter speech we disagree with.It's as much as the reader to validate whatever I'm saying in my posts and it's their duty to disregard them if they're inaccurate.If I get censored on this discussion board, then it obviously doesn't align with my values and I'll discover one other one which helps freedom of speech. reply

InSteady 1 day in the past | root | dad or mum | prev | subsequent [-]

The concept people who find themselves wholesome, safe, and mentally resilient don't are inclined to have crippling addictions is not terribly controversial. If a user is peddling it as scientific fact without any sources to back it up that's one thing. But this is a dialogue discussion board not an educational neighborhood or professional society.Saying trauma or different forms of adversity could also be driving porn addiction isn't the identical as diagnosing folks with psychiatric disorders on-line. We're allowed to speculate and talk about what drives human behavior, especially when the habits is relevant to the whole thread. That's a lot different than saying things like "you clearly have ADHD" or "everyone with porn addiction has untreated PTSD." GP was not diagnosing anybody, they had been proposing a mechanism that could be driving a specific type of habits.In case you google "trauma, adversity, https://fetishsets.com/ and addiction" you will discover a wealth of assets discussing scientific evidence of a connection. This is not all that controversial. I imagine the one group that can be most towards this line of inquiry can be the subset of heavily moralistic people who use emotional and/or bodily abuse to unfold their worldview. See: Scientologists.Finally, as an apart, there is evidence that epigenetic changes from extreme trauma are passed from parents to their children. While I'm certain the majority of past-life trauma analysis is charlatanism, it is not as though we do not inherit a few of our grasp-ups and quirks on a biological stage based mostly on the lived experiences of our ancestors. [1] Although this first article is barely discussing changes to genetic expression, and not changes to the genome (mutation), there can also be some evidence that epigenetic changes can lead to permanent changes to the genome under the correct circumstances. [2][1] - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-dad and mom-rsquo...[2] - https://www.the-scientist.com/options/do-epigenetic-modifications... reply

lazyeye 1 day ago | root | guardian | prev [-]

Just ignore. Robocat is the type of particular person that provides his comment to a submit then flags it to deny everyone else the fitting of reply. reply

Not me - no point losing time. I generally don't comment even when simply downvote. I also attempt to keep away from commenting on anything that I think is likely to get flagged. You make a private attack towards me that is simply plain improper.My comment here is off-matter sorry. feedback on voting and flagging are positively off-topic. reply

lazyeye 1 day ago | root | guardian [-]

Unsure what to make of this remark since literally a few hours ago you submitted a remark to say a submit was off-matter (and hence prone to be flagged). If it wasnt you that flagged the publish then my apologies. reply

robocat 1 day in the past | root | mum or dad [-]

Fair cop! I didn't flag nevertheless I added that remark principally selfishly for my own search history because Ackman's previous tweet appeared to disappear off HN - presumably inflammatory?Anyways - I normally try to be a greater HN citizen - I promise to try harder!On-topic: porn is a stay A/B test as a result of it's already on the market. We will measure some of the present harms to kids (adolescent or not) and adults. The B take a look at is introducing new rules and then both: evaluating hurt between jurisdictive boundaries or: maybe compare between before/after (hopefully preplan to collect data earlier than new rules were launched).Either method, Legislation rarely mixes with science so even trying to measure metrics is probably going fruitless. And even then Goodhart turns as much as tell you your metrics failed to attain desired outcomes.